Comments on: Toll-road builder willing to consider alternate routes, board says http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/ All things green in Orange County. Wed, 19 May 2010 22:46:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: DaveG http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/#comment-1556 DaveG Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:08:35 +0000 http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/?p=3034#comment-1556 Gee, what a thought. After spending untold millions, these geniouses have the presence of mind to now think about consulting others before making their plan to put this in the worst location possible. It's gives you a real level of confidence in our public officials. Hey guys, nice to see you're thinking about removing your blinders! Gee, what a thought. After spending untold millions, these geniouses have the presence of mind to now think about consulting others before making their plan to put this in the worst location possible. It’s gives you a real level of confidence in our public officials. Hey guys, nice to see you’re thinking about removing your blinders!

]]> By: Enlightenment http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/#comment-1476 Enlightenment Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:53:33 +0000 http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/?p=3034#comment-1476 How about dozing the thousands of new homes in that area!!! Housing did far more damage than all of those new homes! At a minimum, connect 241 to 74. Come on....this is an obvious one! Also need to turn 74 into a freeway! How about dozing the thousands of new homes in that area!!! Housing did far more damage than all of those new homes!

At a minimum, connect 241 to 74. Come on….this is an obvious one!

Also need to turn 74 into a freeway!

]]> By: VoiceofReason http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/#comment-1252 VoiceofReason Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:01:33 +0000 http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/?p=3034#comment-1252 City and county planners did not do their job twenty or thirty years ago and now we have to live with the result of their kowtowing to developers. No amount of "paving over paradise" is going to solve the problem. So the best thing we can do is to preserve what little natural space we have left, sit in traffic, and think about what type of people we want planning our future. City and county planners did not do their job twenty or thirty years ago and now we have to live with the result of their kowtowing to developers. No amount of “paving over paradise” is going to solve the problem. So the best thing we can do is to preserve what little natural space we have left, sit in traffic, and think about what type of people we want planning our future.

]]> By: Dina http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/#comment-1248 Dina Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:01:55 +0000 http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/?p=3034#comment-1248 How about canceling the entire project?. Steve you crack me up. How about canceling the entire project?. Steve you crack me up.

]]> By: OhBoy http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/#comment-1244 OhBoy Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:16:38 +0000 http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/?p=3034#comment-1244 The TCA wants the toll road, not because of congestion, but because they want the revenue. They WANT the 5 to be congested so they can collect tolls. The answer is NO! The TCA wants the toll road, not because of congestion, but because they want the revenue. They WANT the 5 to be congested so they can collect tolls.

The answer is NO!

]]> By: algorithm http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/#comment-1238 algorithm Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:58:19 +0000 http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/?p=3034#comment-1238 Contrary to the TCA's contention, the toll road is likely to create future traffic congestion, not relieve it. Look at I-270 outside Washington DC. Within eight years after it was widened to 12 lanes, congestion was as bad as before, with traffic exceeding levels projected for 2010. Want to see what relief looks like? Look at I-5 now. It was built to relieve congestion. Want to see what good the 241 will do? Look at traffic on I-5 NB thru Mission Viejo, just past the 73 toll road: Unrelieved congestion, as bad or worse than before the 73 was built. We need to acknowledge that the existing build-your-way-out-of-congestion approach is destined to fail again as it has in the past. We need a solution, not a new version of the same old mistake. Contrary to the TCA’s contention, the toll road is likely to create future traffic congestion, not relieve it. Look at I-270 outside Washington DC. Within eight years after it was widened to 12 lanes, congestion was as bad as before, with traffic exceeding levels projected for 2010. Want to see what relief looks like? Look at I-5 now. It was built to relieve congestion. Want to see what good the 241 will do? Look at traffic on I-5 NB thru Mission Viejo, just past the 73 toll road: Unrelieved congestion, as bad or worse than before the 73 was built. We need to acknowledge that the existing build-your-way-out-of-congestion approach is destined to fail again as it has in the past. We need a solution, not a new version of the same old mistake.

]]> By: Christine http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/#comment-1234 Christine Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:52:10 +0000 http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/?p=3034#comment-1234 The Commerce decision was so disappointing. Traffic is getting worse every year. The Commerce decision was so disappointing. Traffic is getting worse every year.

]]> By: Put up or shut up http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/#comment-1230 Put up or shut up Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:12:07 +0000 http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/?p=3034#comment-1230 The surfers who have opposed the project can now offer their options. They say they can widen the I-5 without taking 1,200 homes and businesses like Caltrans says will need to be done... Go for it! The Secretary of Commerce says we can just bulldoze Talega and connect to La Pata. Sounds good! We'll let Mark Rauscher knock on those doors and explain to them that, yes they'll lose their home, but they'll be saving the habitat of the Pacific pocket mouse! Too bad the best alternative was denied due to politics. Now the choices are: 1. Go through homes 2. Go through the middle of Camp Pendleton 3. Do nothing I'm glad TCA hasn't taken litigation off the table! The surfers who have opposed the project can now offer their options. They say they can widen the I-5 without taking 1,200 homes and businesses like Caltrans says will need to be done… Go for it!

The Secretary of Commerce says we can just bulldoze Talega and connect to La Pata. Sounds good! We’ll let Mark Rauscher knock on those doors and explain to them that, yes they’ll lose their home, but they’ll be saving the habitat of the Pacific pocket mouse!

Too bad the best alternative was denied due to politics. Now the choices are:

1. Go through homes
2. Go through the middle of Camp Pendleton
3. Do nothing

I’m glad TCA hasn’t taken litigation off the table!

]]> By: Steve http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/#comment-1228 Steve Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:56:53 +0000 http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/?p=3034#comment-1228 How about free tickets on Amtrack to the border? How about free tickets on Amtrack to the border?

]]> By: Warren http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/08/builder-will-consider-alternate-toll-road-routes-board-says/3034/#comment-1216 Warren Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:08:02 +0000 http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/?p=3034#comment-1216 How about a light rail line to the metrolink station? How about a light rail line to the metrolink station?

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