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Smoke from O.C. landfill? Yes, but just venting

July 23rd, 2009, 11:30 am · 7 Comments · posted by

Mysterious plumes of smoke are rising from the Frank R. Bowerman landfill in Irvine, its operators said Thursday, prompting some nearby residents to call the fire department. sssmoke

But while there is some danger that the plumes — 15 to 20 so far — could trigger a brush fire, there is so far no threat to the public, said spokeswoman Julie Chay of OC Waste & Recycling.

“We’re monitoring it very carefully, because we don’t want anything above the surface to combust,” Chay said. Firefighters also have been alerted and are ready if fire breaks out.

“It’s normal, and it’s natural, but rare,” Chay said.

The plumes appear to be a combination of smoke from underground combustion along with some water vapor and other gases, she said. But just what is causing it is unknown. An investigator from the U.S. Geological Survey will visit the landfill Tuesday to try to assess the situation, she said.

The smoke comes from “heat vents,”  and similar phenomena have been reported in other natural areas in California in the past, including in the Dick Smith Wilderness northeast of Santa Barbara in 2004.

landfillsmokeg0724The vents have opened on a part of the landfill property that remains in a natural state. While it could be used for landfill waste in the future, it remains undisturbed, with native vegetation growing above.

The venting is not related to burning of any landfill trash, or to any landfill operations, Chay said.

Gases detected in the plumes by consultants include hydrogen sulfide, which can be hazardous to workers in the immediate area of the plumes. Protective equipment is needed for those working around the plumes,  Chay said, but the gases dissipate quickly and do not migrate out of the area.

Other gases were similar to those found in the atmosphere, with 78 percent nitrogen and 22 percent oxygen, said Eric Smalstig, a senior engineer at Geosyntec in Huntington Beach.

Temperatures in the plumes have hit at least 1,000 Fahrenheit, he said.

The material burning underground appears to be shale that is part of an old landslide, Smalstig said.

“The heat source is a mineral source, subsurface,” he said. “As a result, water is heating up the shale.” He and other experts are still trying to determine exactly what the mineral heat source is.

Robert Mariner, a hydrologist with the U.S. Geological Survey who will investigate the vents next week, also examined similar vents in the Dick Smith Wilderness in 2004. He said in that case, the source was likely pyrite broken up in a landslide.

The pyrite “oxidizes, and when it does, it heats up,” Mariner said. “It heats up enough to ignite any natural organic material in the slide.”

It was hot enough to ignite a grass fire, quickly put out by the Forest Service, he said.

Pyrite might be the source of the heat beneath the Bowerman site, he said, although that will have to be investigated. 

 The smoke was first noticed weeks ago; see previous Register story.

(Photos of smoking vents courtesy O.C. Waste & Recycling. Register graphic by Brian Moore.)

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     7 Comments

    • Mr. Foothill says:

      Maybe we should put a Geo-Thermal power plant here instead of trash.

    • Thatchmo says:

      It’s probably methane from the compacted garbage that ignited and seeped through the cracks out there and vented in the undisturbed area.

    • dennis says:

      can we harvest this for the homeless for winter

    • Mac says:

      Thatchmo says is probably methane – methane is colorless. As the “expert” said, it’s probably water “waper”.

      Isn’t it nice that you can have an “expert” without a command of the English language!

    • imacobru says:

      “It’s normal, and it’s natural, but rare,” Chay said.

      Spoken like a true PR Spokesperson – Both sides of their mouths –

      Websters Dictionary –

      Definition of NORMAL – conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.

      Definition of RARE – seldom occurring or found.

      And she’s telling everyone that there is NO Problems and it’s SAFE!

      Right!

      She should run for Governor…or better yet President!

      • Don Fife, Geologist says:

        As a stste environmental and engineering geologist who mapped the miocene age sedimentary rock bearing surface exposures of burnt oil shale, I suspect that the landfill burning problem relates to oil shale inplace, or in a landslied or iuse as cut and cover to buries the trash. When I discovered the Bee Canyon Land Fill was being proposed circa 1979, I alerted the conslultant(s) and Orange County of this geological hazard. Some early plans called for using the Miocene oil shale to cover the trash in the Bee Canyon Landfill. This would be similar to covering the trash with tar or oil ! Oil shale exposured on the surface will ignite during a s wildland fire and burn to depths of 10-30 feet or until it loses access to oxygen. Gimes Canyon inear Oaji in Venture County is a classic case. The burnt shale looks like scorious basalt lava. Some building supply yard in Ventura County sell it a decorative rock!

        The fumes probably contain poisonous amounts of water vapor with methane, propene, pentane butane, and other heavy hydrocarbins as well as hydrogen sulfide, and carbon monoxicide.

    • SteverR says:

      OCR – What an utter joke this paper has become.

      I think all just call you guys “The Regurgitator.”

      You already did this video on June 22, 2009.

      http://www.ocregister.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1127694947&bclid=1389983266&bctid=27170223001

      Here it is again on June 23, 2009. (Geez you could not wait for more then a day to go by)

      http://headlines.ocregister.com/news/vents-31334-gas-bowerman.html

      And again on July 1, 2009

      http://www.ocregister.com/video/index.php?source=gsa&v=1.0&bcpid=1127694947&bclid=1125901233&bctid=27170223001

      Anyone who actually pays for this paper is a complete idiot!

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