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	<title>Comments on: O.C. fishermen protest possible fishing bans</title>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/21/oc-fishermen-protest-possible-fishing-bans/14623/#comment-5475</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MLPA process is runaway militant environmentalism at it&#039;s finest. One thing these people do not realize is that when you remove people from the environment they become much less interested in saving it. Fishermen were the first conservationists on the west coast. The Tuna Club of Avalon, The International Gamefish Association, and Trout Unlimited all started life as a groups of conservation minded sportsmen. They did so voluntarily without any cajoling from the Sierra Club, Earth First, The Center for Biological Diversity, or the Government. Sportsmen in southern california have also played an enormous role in the white seabass recovery along our coast. I have never seen a member of the Laguna Beach City Council, Peta, or the World Wildlife Fund donate one second of thier time to raise, catalog, and release these fish into the sea. It has been fishermen and thier children who have done the heavy lifting and made real contributions to restoring out coastal environment. Just remember, every toilet that get&#039;s flushed, toll road that get&#039;s built, and bmw that goes to the car spa contributes to our declining water quality. Banning families from from a day&#039;s fishing will not cure what ails our coastline. It will only deminish the number of people willing to do something about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MLPA process is runaway militant environmentalism at it&#8217;s finest. One thing these people do not realize is that when you remove people from the environment they become much less interested in saving it. Fishermen were the first conservationists on the west coast. The Tuna Club of Avalon, The International Gamefish Association, and Trout Unlimited all started life as a groups of conservation minded sportsmen. They did so voluntarily without any cajoling from the Sierra Club, Earth First, The Center for Biological Diversity, or the Government. Sportsmen in southern california have also played an enormous role in the white seabass recovery along our coast. I have never seen a member of the Laguna Beach City Council, Peta, or the World Wildlife Fund donate one second of thier time to raise, catalog, and release these fish into the sea. It has been fishermen and thier children who have done the heavy lifting and made real contributions to restoring out coastal environment. Just remember, every toilet that get&#8217;s flushed, toll road that get&#8217;s built, and bmw that goes to the car spa contributes to our declining water quality. Banning families from from a day&#8217;s fishing will not cure what ails our coastline. It will only deminish the number of people willing to do something about it!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/21/oc-fishermen-protest-possible-fishing-bans/14623/#comment-5203</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a joke!  This environmentalist wak jobs are just trying to ruin something else.  They just want attention at the expense of people&#039;s own livelihood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a joke!  This environmentalist wak jobs are just trying to ruin something else.  They just want attention at the expense of people&#8217;s own livelihood.</p>
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		<title>By: SCfool</title>
		<link>http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/21/oc-fishermen-protest-possible-fishing-bans/14623/#comment-5199</link>
		<dc:creator>SCfool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this proposal also ban shore fishing in the protected area?  If it does then that is a shame.   It makes me want to punch someone in the face.  It doesn&#039;t make sense.  it is un-American.  It hurts the local economy.  It takes away our god given rights to use the ocean for our pleasure and sustenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this proposal also ban shore fishing in the protected area?  If it does then that is a shame.   It makes me want to punch someone in the face.  It doesn&#8217;t make sense.  it is un-American.  It hurts the local economy.  It takes away our god given rights to use the ocean for our pleasure and sustenance.</p>
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		<title>By: RandyBalboa</title>
		<link>http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/21/oc-fishermen-protest-possible-fishing-bans/14623/#comment-5191</link>
		<dc:creator>RandyBalboa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you ever ponder that our local environmental groups are using this as a financial mechanism for future studies/grant/project funding? The MLPA is supposed to be a hands off solution, but activist groups are trying to get &quot;earmarked&quot; MLPA sanctions/permissions for growing kelp or abalone, so they can justify having it all to themselves. As one mainstream OC water quality activist put it, &quot;Im not going fishing, Im just getting tissue samples&quot;. Also the MLPA area measurement of tidelands is a terrible formula, that why Newport&#039;s upper bay is on the list, its daily polluted and a flood control system for the county, but if they throw that area in,  it will reduce closing another area like Little Corona.
What a scam! to cover-up the 1973 written study for OC Supervisors that predicted over populating by 1.6 million OC will cause detrimental effects to the coastal eco-system/water quality environment. 
We need to support F&amp;G  to keep these folks out of any MLPA&#039;s and  
only F&amp;G does the studies and work, like they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you ever ponder that our local environmental groups are using this as a financial mechanism for future studies/grant/project funding? The MLPA is supposed to be a hands off solution, but activist groups are trying to get &#8220;earmarked&#8221; MLPA sanctions/permissions for growing kelp or abalone, so they can justify having it all to themselves. As one mainstream OC water quality activist put it, &#8220;Im not going fishing, Im just getting tissue samples&#8221;. Also the MLPA area measurement of tidelands is a terrible formula, that why Newport&#8217;s upper bay is on the list, its daily polluted and a flood control system for the county, but if they throw that area in,  it will reduce closing another area like Little Corona.<br />
What a scam! to cover-up the 1973 written study for OC Supervisors that predicted over populating by 1.6 million OC will cause detrimental effects to the coastal eco-system/water quality environment.<br />
We need to support F&amp;G  to keep these folks out of any MLPA&#8217;s and<br />
only F&amp;G does the studies and work, like they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Froggmann</title>
		<link>http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/21/oc-fishermen-protest-possible-fishing-bans/14623/#comment-5185</link>
		<dc:creator>Froggmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what this sounds like? The initiatives that closed down vast stretches of the California desert back in the late 80&#039;s early 90&#039;s and has since spread to a majority of federally owned land. Fight now fishermen, because if you lose this battle the war ahead will be long and costly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what this sounds like? The initiatives that closed down vast stretches of the California desert back in the late 80&#8242;s early 90&#8242;s and has since spread to a majority of federally owned land. Fight now fishermen, because if you lose this battle the war ahead will be long and costly.</p>
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		<title>By: sparkle</title>
		<link>http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/21/oc-fishermen-protest-possible-fishing-bans/14623/#comment-5181</link>
		<dc:creator>sparkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t the beef industry behind this move - it is the vegetarians and PETA.  Man should live by fruits, nuts, berries, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t the beef industry behind this move &#8211; it is the vegetarians and PETA.  Man should live by fruits, nuts, berries, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: sonnyray63</title>
		<link>http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/21/oc-fishermen-protest-possible-fishing-bans/14623/#comment-5177</link>
		<dc:creator>sonnyray63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does this mean I can&#039;t go smelt fishing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does this mean I can&#8217;t go smelt fishing</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/21/oc-fishermen-protest-possible-fishing-bans/14623/#comment-5161</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously there&#039;s nothing anyone can do to reverse this disastrous, runaway train that is the MLPA, but has anyone thought of reducing take limits and upping legal sizes? It would make way too much sense to up the legal size of sheephead, for example to 15&quot; and reduce the limit to 2-3. But then again, that would be using facts and logic, which I know liberals, hippies and green activists don&#039;t take too kindly too. So yeah, let&#039;s just screw over all the evil fishermen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously there&#8217;s nothing anyone can do to reverse this disastrous, runaway train that is the MLPA, but has anyone thought of reducing take limits and upping legal sizes? It would make way too much sense to up the legal size of sheephead, for example to 15&#8243; and reduce the limit to 2-3. But then again, that would be using facts and logic, which I know liberals, hippies and green activists don&#8217;t take too kindly too. So yeah, let&#8217;s just screw over all the evil fishermen!</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
		<link>http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/21/oc-fishermen-protest-possible-fishing-bans/14623/#comment-5157</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CA and State Fish and Games want to increase more taxes and fees to fullfil its lavish spendings.  Just give it to them or get out business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CA and State Fish and Games want to increase more taxes and fees to fullfil its lavish spendings.  Just give it to them or get out business.</p>
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		<title>By: alterego58</title>
		<link>http://greenoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/10/21/oc-fishermen-protest-possible-fishing-bans/14623/#comment-5155</link>
		<dc:creator>alterego58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abalone used to be prevalent in northern CA. We started protecting the sea otters and they ate up all the abalone. Go figure.

If we protect the sea urchin, they will eat up all of the kelp beds. Go figure.

If we protect the sea lions, they will take all of the fish off of sport fishermen&#039;s lines. Go figure.

If we outlaw sport fishing, the sea lions will have to work for a living. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abalone used to be prevalent in northern CA. We started protecting the sea otters and they ate up all the abalone. Go figure.</p>
<p>If we protect the sea urchin, they will eat up all of the kelp beds. Go figure.</p>
<p>If we protect the sea lions, they will take all of the fish off of sport fishermen&#8217;s lines. Go figure.</p>
<p>If we outlaw sport fishing, the sea lions will have to work for a living. Go figure.</p>
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