Camp Pendleton commander: ‘No’ on toll road
March 23rd, 2010, 4:29 pm · 85 Comments · posted by Pat Brennan, science, environment editor
Orange County’s tollway agency should find another route for a proposed toll road that does not cut through the Camp Pendleton Marine base, the commanding general at the base said in a letter sent to news outlets this week.
The letter, which follows a similar letter sent by the Secretary of the Navy in February, seems to leave little room for negotiation over the toll road route. The Foothill/Eastern Transportation Corridor Agency had offered a new proposed route that would slice across the northern edge of the base but would include walls and other features to screen motorists from a view of base training.
“In our view, it’s time for the TCA to find another alternative to it’s (sic) current proposed alignment of the 241 Toll Road through vital training areas on Camp Pendleton,” it reads.
It is signed by Maj. Gen. Anthony L. Jackson, Commanding General, Marine Corps Installations West, and Col. Nick Marano, Commanding Officer, Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton.
In the previous letter, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus wrote that after a thorough review, “I have determined that the proposed new TCA route would unacceptably impact the Marine Corps’ ability to train and prepare for all contingency operations.”
But, as with the previous letter, the Transportation Corridor Agency views the latest letter as “a starting point,” not a final rejection, said spokeswoman Jennifer Seaton.
The agency, she said, “would like to discuss with Camp Pendleton whether adjustments could be made to make it acceptable to them.”
The commanding general’s letter says the mission of Camp Pendleton is to provide “high quality ranges, training areas and facilities to the operating forces so our Marines and Sailors can prepare to execute any required mission.
“The skills they learn and practice here enable them to defeat our nation’s enemies and save the lives of our Marines and Sailors on the battlefield. We owe the sons and daughters of America who have volunteered in service of this nation the finest training possible.”
Seaton said the tollway agency understands the base’s mission.
“We agree their mission is supporting and training Marines and sailors is critically important, and TCA would never do anything to jeopardize that mission,” she said.
Toll road engineers employed some creative solutions in their new proposed route to get around objections that caused a previous proposal to be defeated in 2008, first by the state Coastal Commission and, on a later appeal, by the U.S. Commerce Secretary.
It would have cut through San Onofre State Park — located on military land that is leased to State Parks — and drew strenuous objections from environmental activists, who feared sediment washed downstream from the road’s construction could disrupt surfing at the famous Trestles Beach.
The tollway agency said there would be no effect on Trestles, and that it would use restoration and re-creation of habitat to make up for any environmental damage.
The agency says the road is needed to complete its network of toll roads and to relieve future traffic congestion.
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Take out the San Mateo campground. It’s ridiculous camping there and seems like just an overflow for San Onofre in my opinion. Move the proposed Toll Road a few hundred yards to the WNW. It is open land there… just South of Cristianitos
“…and seems like just an overflow for San Onofre in my opinion”
Your opinion it is, because it certainly isn’t fact! In truth, the San Mateo Campground is the more popular of the two campground at San Onofre State Beach, often booking up 6 months in advance!
“Move the proposed Toll Road a few hundred yards to the WNW. It is open land there… just South of Cristianitos”
Actually, it’s land that’s been set aside to be protected as a state park, not for development. In case you haven’t heard, it would be illegal under both State and Federal law for the TCA to build their pay-to-drive highway there. So the land you speak of is not an option.
Oh please, sleeping outdoors by a freeway and railroad tracks is NOT camping. One day, all of you are going to have blood on your hands when there is no alternative route in an emergency. You saw what the freeway looked like during the San Diego fires, just wait when it’s local. And now they are lobbying for widening the 5 freeway which won’t resolve an alternate escape route or traffic. I hope the government uses eminent domain on your homes or businesses one day because of a selfish mob. See how you like it.
so, you want to dump a lot more traffic onto a freeway are that has NO services, NO offramps, No turnarounds, NOTHING….for 18 miles?? Not too smart. This matter is perceived to be a rsistence from surfers and…..campers? But in reality, it’s just not a good idea. On weekends and holidays, it’s a crawl through Pendleton now. Add a few 100K cars and see what it does. Add in the fact that there are no services or emergency resources, and what have you got? a huge jam with no way for CHP or tow trucks or ambulances to get to you . Most of you just have a knee jerk reaction and criticize the surfers who want to keep Sano as it is. Well, nothing stays as it is, but, this is no way to handle the mass of traffic. California is one of very few states that has no two way rail capability. I’d say fix that, and see the improvement. Why don’t west coast people use mas transit? Too into their image cars and uptight about sharing space with other commuters. I know people on the east coast that have never owned cars, and go everywhere up and down the coast. Unfortunately, Cali doesn’t have a reliable mass transit operation up and down the coast, due to only one track. That’s a huge problem. San Mateo is greatly used. Look at all the other camp spots next to a highway. Cardiff, Carlsbad, Mission Bay, they’re all mostly full, much of the year. It may not be “camping” to you, but for people with kids and a love for being near the ocean, it’s camping.
JR, your ignorance on this issue is astounding. You’ve allowed the TCA’s marketing shysters to brainwash you into believing the 241 extension is actually about traffic, when nothing could be farther from the truth. You are obviously not from the area, and don’t drive it regularly, otherwise you wouldn’t have that opinion.
And the government is not going to help the TCA steal away our great State Park lands for development, just the opposite in fact, as already established.
Please research this issue further.
The campground id great– we love it— the road is a not needed joke— this is doa– no toll road for the fat cat tca folks…
More people would be served with a road than a campground. It only improves your traffic flow in your area which reduces pollution.
Work for the TCA do you?
We need this road as an alternative escape rout in case something happens to San Onofre.
That argument has already been shown to be total BS, most notably at the CCC hearing in Feb. 2008.
If San-O aka Dolly goes Chernobel you best get your crucifix out and forget about escape. I drive to San Diego at least 10 times a month for work, and this toll road idea is a joke. Give it another 10 years and you can have your $10/ trip tollway.
I believe these old but not outdated emergency procedure sum it up.
SDGE SAN ONOFRE EMERGENCY PROCEDURES OUTLINE
1. TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND EXHALE IN A CALMING FASHION WHILE STANDING ERECT.
2. BEND AT THE WAIST SO THAT THE BODY IS AT A RIGHT ANGLE.
3. PLACE RIGHT PALM ON RIGHT KNEE, GRIP FIRMLY
4. PLACE LEFT PALM ON LEFT KNEE, GRIP FIRMLY
5. CONTINUE ROTATION OF UPPER BODY SO THAT HEAD IS DIRECTLY OPPOSITE LOWER REAR MID SECTION, WITHOUT FALLING FORWARD ON HEAD.
6. PUCKER LIPS.
7. KISS A$$ GOOD BYE!!!
The TCA doesn’t take clues, even really, REALLY blatant ones. They are dinosaurs, they still want their way, and they will not go away.
the military ALWAYS get their way. Just look at Fort Irwin expansions!
I agree. They are obsolete. In fact, they were never really effective to begin with. A look at any of the OCTAs traffic flow maps clearly show this. The fact that the TCA is losing money hand over fist is another indication.
Ed, you are on crack dude!
serious but crack!! =0)
serious but crack!! =0) They are insane. Trying the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result!!
Toll Roads belong on the East Coast!! We out here on the West Coast hate them!!! I hope they all go bankrupt ! Freeways are a California tradition.
No more toll roads!!! We pay more than enough in taxes that no new toll roads should be allowed. The government needs to spend our money more wisely and stop these public private partnerships that rip the tax payer and consumer off. The exorbitant toll charges are highway robbery! I agree with the previous statement … The TCA doesn’t take clues, even really, REALLY blatant ones. But the TCA is working at the request of our inept legislature, so what can we expect but more insanity.
Amen!
The unspoken intention of the 241 extension is to create access for new city community buildouts (new Ladera and Talega communities) in the O’Neil area.
We need to stop this now!
1. We need to halt all new community development like Santa Barbara and Monterey does.
why?
1. We cannot host more water consumers (each new home is another water consumer.)
2. We cannot support more traffic (it’s congested enough.)
Therefore,
We need to pass a no-growth county law banning all new community buildouts. Looking at the experience of Santa Barbara county, it’ll have the following benefits:
1. Provide price-support for homes as it did in Santa Barbara and Monterey (another no-growth county). If the supply of homes fixed more or less, prices will only go up.
2. Decrease OC sales tax due to a fixed number of people (not more with new communities which need tax money for roads, schools, etc.)
3. Not increase in water consumers (each new home is another water consumer driving up rates for everyone.)
Nice dream, but not everyone want’s to live “somewhere else”; not to mention trampling on the rights of rather influential land owners. Till “no growth” policies can affect population control freedom will reign (but charge a few bucks for the “convenience”).
Hi Bill,
Exactly how long have you lived in the county???
I’m guessing if we kept rolling this back till I was born here then WE (natives) wouldn’t have the problems and issues that are being addressed here.
Love and kisses…
OC OL’ FART
How about re-building in the inner core of OC instead of running to all the new developments?
Hello ppl …its not the fact that its a toll road its the fact that civilians or terrorists can access that base if they put a toll road through there…If Civilians or any Non military were allowed on base without aproval or knowing someone they would make it an open base. THINK PPL ! Its ashame ppl arnt more worried about our country and keeping it safe.
Above all, don’t forget that the TCA built a substandard 73 tollway, and parts of the 241 tollway, resulting in Caltrans and Calif taxpayers to re-pave the roads shortly after they opened. They are morally and about financially bankrupt!
And to add to Johnboy 9:
I drive the 5 freeway through Mission Viejo and there is tons of traffic from Avery to El Toro, which is the the length along the freeway that was supposed to be relieved from the installation of the 73 toll road. Toll roads don’t work. Look a little beyond the immediate benefit of having a couple extra toll lanes going north and south, and you will see that in the long-term (5 years) we will have congestion on the 5 freeway the same as we have now.
The solution: fork over the money and buy a train pass. If you patron, they will increase the routes.
Why did they insist on trying it? From the beginning Camp Penelton said “No”. What part of that word do they not understand?
We need an alternative to I-5. You’d think the Marines would be good neighbors and find a way to help complete the 241. The route looks like it would take very little of their base. They have hundreds of thousands of acres. Why not carve out a few to help finish a freeway and save their neighbors all the grief from growing gridlock? Do they really need to run tanks a half mile from homes in San Clemente? They have an even bigger base at 29 Palms. Isn’t that where most of the war training happens anyway? So little land for such a big benefit to so many — and they won’t even talk about finding a way to get it done. Hard to imagine such inflexibility.
The problem with your argument is that the 241 would NOT be an alternative to I-5. The vast majority of commuters can’t or won’t pay the TCA’s high tolls, and as a result are forced onto already over-crowded freeways while the TCA’s toll roads sit virtually unused. Look at the OCTAs traffic flow maps and you’ll see that the volume of traffic on the toll roads is miniscule compared to freeways. No, the TCA’s asphalt money pits are just ploys to open up more of OC to suburban sprawl and development.
YES, by all means lets not inconvenience all the inhabitants of developments built long after Camp Pendleton came into existance. You would compromise their ability to maintain readness so you can get home a few minutes earlier? The sound of those armored vehicles is the sound of YOUR freedom!
Whats inflexable are idiots who buy property next to an existing facility(March Air Force Base, now March Reserve Base, good example) then complain about the noise.
Fences make for “Good” neighbors!
amen. for many, ignorance reigns supreme.
If you feel the need to call yourself OC Driver, you need to drive much less.
Unfortunately, I have to work and commute and spend more time on the freeways than I would like. In some 40 years of driving in the area, it easy to track how it keeps getting worse. The 241 will help. I may not use it much, but every driver that does means one less on I-5. As for the sound of freedom mentioned above, they used the same line around Tustin in talking about the helicopters, which got moved elsewhere because there are a LOT of places to practice for war. How about practicing desert assault maneuvers where it counts — in the desert at 29 Palms!
I agree it keeps getting worse. But they already built a toll road (the 73) to relieve the traffic in the late 90s. Given your statement that the traffic keeps getting worse, those few lanes on the 73 obviously did not relieve traffic for very long. Toll roads are not long-term solutions. Trains have been working for many years, though…..
don’t dump your OC traffic problems onto San Diego. We have enough already.
Use and demand more mass transit. get out of your imagemobile, have a beer on the train and maybe meet some new people.
it’s a Marine base, get it? They develop landing capabilities and test more than scrambling army men there. That’s why it’s called the “Marines”.
The 241 extension would make traffic worse, by far. Besides, the traffic backup is usually caused by the border stop, and the TCA’s plan doesn’t incluse changing that, so the traffic would be backed up on the 241 the same as it is on the 5.
you’re not seeing the big picture. First, the new road would only serve the elite communities and encourage more infill housing for the wealthy, or wannabe rich. two, there are no services or access for emergency resources, gas stations, turn arounds, etc. If you have an accident halfway to Oceanside, how long are you willing to bleed until an EMT truck can get to you? On weekends, it’s a crawl all the way to Oceanside, and sometimes clear to San Diego. On Thanksgiving, it took my parents over 4 hours to get to my home, from Huntingtion Beach. That’s usually a tad over an hour. You add 100K cars to the already conjested road, and what have you got? A bigger traffic jam. Get real and see the big picture. This isn’t just about a few thousand surfers or campers. It’s about Californias inability to develop reliable and useful mass transit, and the entitlement of the self righteous that won’t use mass transit.
I totally agree with the no growth ordinance, that would help many things that are going wrong with the O.C.
However, I wonder why doesn’t someone, the legislature or public entity challenge the other (main) premise the the toll road extension, that it would help ease traffic congestion? That is simply a ridiculous conclusion, which cannot be proven and we know how well these TCA and CalTrans engineers prognosticate i.e Orange Crush, Costa Mesa Freeway (CA-55), need I cite more. We need to object to this at its heart and then drive a stake through it!
jmho…
If the last census data is a decent indicator, EMF and most of the anti-growth people posting comments moved here from elsewhere and live in a house or apartment that was built by a developer on what was once rural land, agricultural fields or an orange grove. Yet he or she and most of the no-growth whiners don’t want to give anyone else the opportunity to enjoy what he or she enjoys. As a native who grew up driving around the area on old 101 and long before I-5, 55, 405, etc., I think we need to be more planful and less selfish to accommodate inevitable future growth, including affordable housing for everyone’s kids and grandkids.
OC Driver, give it up. You are obviously just an impatient driver with little tolerance for traffic – the perfect target audience for the TCA’s marketing campaign (of lies). The 241 extension IS NOT ABOUT TRAFFIC….IT WON’T HELP YOU ONE BIT. You seriously need to do more research on the subject. In fact, try looking at a map, then try to intelligently convince yourself that the 241 extension will ease traffic on the 5.
The Marines and the Department of the Navy are right. No toll road in Camp Pendleton. Thank you Major General Anthony L. Jackson and Colonel Nick Marano for placing the training of the Marines and Sailors first and foremost. It is refreshing to see someone stand firmly on what they know is right to protect the people they command.
“In our view, it’s time for the TCA to find another alternative to it’s (sic) current proposed alignment of the 241 Toll Road”
– In my view, it’s time for the USMC to find another alternative to Major Generals with bad grammar.
NO TOLL ROAD PERIOD.
Well said Bill!!!! I’ve always said this and held this position as well. South Orange county is beautiful because it’s not congested and overcrowded like North Orange county. No more expansion period. Santa Barbara has the 101 period and they deal with it because it’s beautiful there.
And OC Driver: try being FLEXIBLE when there are bullets flying past your head and bombs buried around every corner waiting to blow you up just because of your faith and nationality. You don’t have a clue.
Santa Barbara is NOTHING like South County in size. And one time I was heading to the central coast and there was a kidnapping hijack in Pismo Beach and they closed the 101. The 101 and side streets were grid lock for HOURS. That was with an ALTERNATE ROUTE-the 154. You don’t have a clue.
No toll roads!
We don’t want people from the IE or inland OC creating more traffic through our area.
If you guys want the beach life.. move near an ocean.
It seems people in favor of the toll road live inland.
Your problem you have to drive around to get to San Diego… not mine!
Something has to be done, the I-5 completely shuts down each weekend, pick your direction its a cr$p shoot which. All the greenies can stay home, quit going to SD or ? to ride your bikes, all the illegals should stay home and quit going to TJ. Stay home from church, your just causing gridlock. Want to go to Dana or SC for the 4th or Whale Festivle, stay home, ride your friggin bike what ever miles. I don’t have the answer but something has to be done or you can all sit on a fwy and pay your gas taxes to Arnold and enjoy it! FU people, quit sniveling over inches,
You’re right. Something needs to be done. Unfortunately, building more toll roads does little (if anything) to help the problem. So insted of pissing away millions of tax dollars on a pay-to-drive highway that won’t do anything to solve our traffic woes, why don’t we address the REAL problem: I-5 itself! Instead of building more useless toll highways that few people will use, we need to widen I-5, upgrade arterials, and vastly improve OC’s sorry excuse for a mass transit system. Those are things that will actually help, unlike more toll highways.
You people want to keep sitting on the fwy in your feces and urine and whine…either way, pay the man and sit. CP has thousands of acres and its down to inches? I don’t get it. I don’t like the toll roads either, paying for what I pay taxes for, seems to me its double taxation. However until we quit voting for the worst of the worst to represent us in goverment, you all better start getting used to gridlock, paying more taxes, paying for the costs of imigration and above all else, paying for a litigious society that Fu.$k’s each other to death….and “no” I don’t think it’s any better over there. Figure it out or eat the crow and enjoy it. Pay your taxes and shut up, both sides, your not American! An American would not put up withj all this!
I’m all for the toll road. We desperately need another route up through Orange County, but it is short sighted to encroach on a vital installation that trains our young men and women to protect our nation. The tollroad agency has studied other alignments and these need to be explored again. We shouldn’t allow one of our greatest national defense assets at Camp Pendleton to be carved up because the tolroads agency hasn’t done their homework properly.
I’ll support Camp Pendleton any day on this issue.
A little bit of history for those of you that didn’t know how we got the word ”FREEWAY” .The first freeway in California was Arroyo Seco Freeway linking Pasadena and Los Angeles. The Californian engineers and developers were proud of their new method of transport in that it was ”free” to travelers unlike the toll roads of the eastern United States. The Californian creation was for the good and use of all mankind unlike the toll-roads of today. The people of California were proud that they made wonderful means of transport for their people without the graft and political corruption of the east coast, which was and always has been an element of toll roads.
Now that the toll roads like the east have arrived in California the pride the Californians once had of their freeways, is no longer. It would be
good for California if the State bought all the toll roads and banished them from the landscape here forever. The sprit of pride that freeways
gave to this state was worth way more than the profit made by a select few corrupt who run the toll roads now.
The marine officer that shunned the corrupt toll road operators is a good and honorable man. I praise him. We need freeways not toll roads.
The toll roads are a joke. Remember when we voted them in they were supposed to pay for themselves then be free eventually as usual the public got screwed! We are some of the highest taxed people in the United States yet we have all thses problems use some of that money to build something else. Freeways should be what they say they are FREE WAYS crew the freakign toll roads!
Maybe the toll road folks should invest in getting their energy in building mass transit; we don’t need more freeways, they are NEVER the solution – like Bill says, they fill up with more more more people – then we are right back to where we started
Instead of building those toll roads why don’t we take a look at why they’re needed in the first place. If the housing wasn’t so overly inflated compared to what jobs pay here maybe there would be less people needing to travel that way. Southern California is a case study of urbn sprawl run amok. Except for downtown LA, there is no centralized business hub that would make public transportation even viable.
Hats off to Maj. Gen. Jackson and the Commandant for defending “The Camp.”
Carma….Huh…. reread what you posted, were trying to figure out if your smokin or drinkin, does not make sense and your all over the place. Housing inflated.? then don’t live here, simple. You must be a pink slip teacher, nobody could be this fragmented. Belvedere on sale at Costco?
AMEN!
I am a newport native (pre newport coast that caused the prices to be overly inflated) and think there is way too much building going on in OC. Period! It is disgusting what the Irvine Company is allowed to do by creating thousands of ugly track homes and tons of concrete jungle apartment complexes everywhere you look… not to mention the fact that they are now ruining Fashion Island by taking out all the fountains so they can build more department stores, which is exactly what we need in this economy. Right. Not just Irvine Co., but all the other big developers (many are family friends too but whatever) who are only thinkging of lining their pockets. I am looking to move soon due to this disgusting urban sprawl – probably to Santa Barbara or Kauai where people actually care about keeping where they live beautiful for the the LONG-TERM!
It’s time for Jerry Amante to put the needs of our nation’s military before his quixotic push for the Amante Expressway.
Thanks Commander, OC needs to implement a no growth policy. We are running out of water and untill we find alternative sources, desal, we should tell the developers no more building.
Camp Pendelton is what keeps San Diego from becoming engulfed by LA similiar to the Slow Death that is happening to Orange County.
Hurray! Finally, someone who outranked, outclassed and put in place those ego-inflated politicians and their get-rich-quick schemes! How arrogant can you be to interpret ‘NO” for “we’re open for discussion?” And how dare they put making a profit for themselves over our country’s security. I’m sure the arrogant, self-appointed Transportation Corridor Agency people will be back to try and force this down the throats of all who don’t want it. That seems to be the mantra these days. It’s all about the money.
Just say no!!!!!! Let’s quit wasting money on this BS. If you are scared of the nuke plant? then move… We have plenty of roads just to many rich A@@holes that want to build more housing…
Just like the democrats they won’t take no for an answer!
Boy, do they have an axe to grind.
NO one works this hard, spends the amount of money they have spent, to force HELP onto those who don’t want it.
They want it because of greeeeeddddd!
Right on FC Prop!
No toll roads or freeways in wilderness areas. Next will come move development. Leave Camp P alone. Even if the base wasn’t there, we should leave it alone & pristine. OC is totally getting ruined. What’s really a shame is the toll road through the hills to the 91.
We have way too many people here & many that don’t have licenses & insurance and should not be clogging our roads.
time for TCA to face the music. a toll road that leads to nowhere is an ill-conceived plan. let it go!! how many people do you need in oc to tell you we don’t like it, don’t need and don’t want. it. go away! spend our tax dollars on something more productive. while you’re at it, it think it’s time the TCA went away!!! adios!
Hurry up and build the toll road!!! The TCA’s new concept addresses all the previous enviro concerns, which were a bunch of lies!!! Camp Pen’s response should not be acceptable to those of us that are stuck in traffic everyday on the 5. There is no mass transit coming to this part of OC – OCTA has cut hundreds of hours of bus service, and there is no rail that serves our needs – remember the CenterLine? This was shot down by the same group of enviros complaining here about the Toll Road. All a bunch of two-faced NIMBY’s! With all the attention on greenhouse gases, which one of the causes is idling cars, why wouldn’t we want to improve traffic congestion in OC?? As a resident since 1970, I have seen the change in the environment due to growth. On most days, you can no longer see Saddleback Mtns- such a shame that our beautiful area has become so disgustingly filled with smog and traffic – we need to get over ourselves and allow for additional access to free up our existing, and overly congested “free”way system.
Weezie, I assume no one forced you to live in south county. As a resident since 1956, I too remember the quiet, slow paced life in south county. When is the door shut to the county? At one time, only native Americans lived in this area. Shall we go back that far? No cars, no freeways, no schools, few people. I don’t have the answer but I do know that encroaching on Camp Pendleton (CP) is not the answer.
CP has been a good neighbor. We need to protect CP and its programs for the Marines and Sailors who protect us. Some of these people make the ultimate sacrifice – think about this the next time you are frustrated by traffic. I think the need of CP trumps the need of drivers who chose to live in south county knowing that CP was already there.
The Commanding Officers of CP are correct in not allowing the toll road to encroach in any way. One foot in the door, and the flood gates open. Someone will always want to take a bite out CP for their convenience – home owners, commuters, surfers, TCA, etc. all think that their priority should be CP’s priority. Do you remember the fight against an airport at the former Marine Station at El Toro? Some people wanted to open an airport on Pendleton? Now there is a real nightmare.
Be grateful that we have this beautiful, open area between Sand Diego and Orange County and be grateful it is there for a good reason.
Camp Pendleton commander: ‘No’ on toll road
Good.
Toll Roads suck. They will do nothing to relieve traffic in South Orange COunty. The 73 is a boondoggle money loser. Hardly anyone uses it. The last thing South OC needs are a new bunch of Talegans driving around as if they own San Clemente
no means no put this issue to rest stop wasting valuable taxpayer resources which require responses to these ridiculous TCA proposals. The Toll Road is unwanted and unneeded…
Our government owns way too much pricey real estate as it is. Sell some off now!
Talk, talk, talk… and the traffic just gets worse every day. TCA should just build it to Cristianitos and wait for the day that the lease is up on the State Park, then finish up the last few miles to connect to the I-5.
Move. That would help the traffic.
Thank you USMC. I love you all!
Bottom Line: Rancho Mission Viejo MASTER PLAN:
Some of you Pro TCA need to take a Proxac and get with the reality of what is going on.
Here are the facts straight from the Mission Viejo Ranch Company:
:A mix of up to 14,000 homes (including 6,000 homes dedicated to seniors) within small villages offering a broad variety of distinctive neighborhoods;
:Sites for schools, places of worship, child care centers, shopping plazas, restaurants, business parks, and civic facilities;
:The construction of an arterial roadway system which will address current and future traffic concern.
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The only reason the 241 is such a hot topic is because without it, this development cannot be done.
The main arterial roads to this development, Ortega, Oso, Crown Valley, and Antonio Parkway cannot support the traffic influx from this development.
For those of you that can read a financial statement here is the 2009 FS.
https://www.thetollroads.com/home/AR09/images/09_FOOTHILL.pdf
The Toll Road has operated in the Negative since the very first day.
Do any of you Pro Toll Road Supporters understand that these roads were built with BOND MONEY
Haha! No toll road for you!
Take a train if you don’t like traffic, kooks!
No no no tool road for you!!!
Why don’t they turn the 241 in another direction? Instead of running it to the beach, turn it over the mountains (or under) and past Elsinore, Perris, and Hemet?
Beware oppisiton to the toll road. If you read the letters from the Sec. of Navy and the Base Commander this could also mean the end of the park which in only a temporary lease from the Base. The toll road in the new proposed alignment would help secure the park stays.
“…the Transportation Corridor Agency views the latest letter as “a starting point,”
What part of “NO!” do they not understand??
Why don’t they first open La Pata from Talega to the Antonio Parkway, for another route out of San Clemente?
Do what the military does, build a 5 mile tunnel through the problem area just like the one that runs from Edwards AFB to Camp Pendleton…
Instead they need to build a rail line! Building more freeways isn’t the solution, so will it take another 20 years to decide to build a rail line? What happened in Los Angeles in the 1980′s is what exactly is going to happen in Orange County.